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Bill & Ted
AngelWitch
2009-10-06 17:11


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I am sitting here a little stunned, if it was not so strange I would laugh out loud. My 70 year old father who has always told me "I don't like Keanu Reeves he is a pathetic actor" has just come up stairs to ask me if I have ever heard of 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure'. He just saw a small part of it on a TV show he was watching and now he want's to borrow my DVD. Should I give him 'Bogus Journey' to watch as well?
LucaM
2009-10-06 17:37


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oh, yes. Both DVDs :D

Anakin McFly
2009-10-06 20:11

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XD

Does he know that it's Keanu in it? How many Keanu films has he seen to declare him a pathetic actor?

LucaM
2009-10-06 20:35


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Ani... the man is 70 years old. Go easy on the elders ;) :D
AngelWitch
2009-10-09 17:16


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Ani, yes he would have known Keanu was in Bill & Ted because he would have asked my mother first and she would have told him before telling him to go up stairs and ask me about it.
As for how many of his movies my father has seen, no idea. I remember him seeing Speed once but beside that one I don't know.
He generally prefers old black and white movies from the 1940's and 1950's (don't ask what he said about the remake of TDTESS) and thinks music died with Buddy Holly. I have to admit I do wonder sometimes if his suffering with dementia has something to do with it? His short term memory is not good but his long term is fine :(
inkhuldra
2009-11-07 22:59


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Guys, I have just made the most excellent discovery!! You know that scene in The Matrix, where Thomas Anderson's at work and getting directions by Morpheus on how to get outta there? Well, I'm just watching Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure for the first time in more than 10+ years, and about 1:10 hours into the movie they're at the sheriff's office, where Ted's father's the sheriff, right, and B&T need to rescue their historical dudes? And they're receiving a fax from themselves telling themselves to duck, right? So watch that scene in The Matrix and tell me how the Wachovski brothers got the idea for Thomas trying to get outta there. It's almost the same scene! Excellent, dudes!
Anakin McFly
2009-11-07 23:00

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/board/flat/150408895 :\\
inkhuldra
2009-11-07 23:11


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Awsome! Yeah, it's too obvious to be a coincidence. The Wachowski brothers, with their constant references to other cultural phenomenons, probably would never have made that scene that way (and it was totally hillarious and slightly "out of tune" with the rest of the movie - and I did notice that at the time, actually) unless it was a nod to something... like B&TEA, for instance. Awesome!

Now, this gives me another excuse to watch The Matrix all over again. The last time I watched it was a week ago. Am I hooked? Nah, never! ;-)

Anakin McFly
2009-11-07 23:14

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That scene was already in the 1996 draft, so it wasn't a Keanu-induced thing because he hadn't been casted yet.

It actually didn't strike me as that obvious. :\\ Unless of course this is the Bill & Ted reference that is mentioned on various Matrix places. I'd always assumed it was the rooftop whoa.

EDIT: from the IMDb Matrix movie connections page, it apparently also references Johnny Mnemonic, and is referenced by The Watcher and Hardball, with the comment for the latter being: "Reeves's character references the names Anderson and Smith, his name and his nemsis name, respectively, in Matrix, The (1999)."

He did?

inkhuldra
2009-11-07 23:19


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OK, but the W brothers did approach Our Man about the role as Neo. Given their background, wouldn't you think that they'd have made a connection between that scene and whatever reason they had for approaching Keanu about the role? They must've seen him in several movies, and B&T would have been a rather iconic movie for them, as it was/is for so many other people. I haven't read the 1996 draft, but was it written out as detailed as it ended up in the movie? Like, with Morpheus telling him exactly what to do and when?
Anakin McFly
2009-11-07 23:19

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Yeah:

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
I'm not sure. But, if you don't
want to find out, you better get
out of there.

NEO
How?!

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
I can guide you out, but you have
to do exactly what I say.

The agents are moving quickly towards the cubicle.

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
The cubicle across from you is
empty.

NEO
But what if...?

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
Go! Now!

Neo lunges across the hall, diving into the other cubicle
just as the agents turn into his row.

Neo crams himself into a dark corner, clutching the phone
tightly to him.

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
Stay here for a moment.

The agents enter Neo's empty cubicle. A cop is sent to
search the bathroom.

Morpheus' voice is a whisper in Neo's ear.

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
A little longer...

Brown is talking to the tall employee.

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
When I tell you, go to the end of
the row to the first office on the
left, stay.as low as you can.

Sweat trickles down his forehead.

MORPHEUS (V.O.)
Now.


(also, see edited post above)

LucaM
2009-11-08 01:30


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frankly, can't remember if Hardball mentions any Anderson or Smith. But the latter is such a common name, it might be just a coincidence...

I never thought that Matrix scene referenced the Bill and Ted movie. Yes, the scene is a bit odd, but I took it as one of the first clues that nothing is what it seems ;)

oh, the whoa... apparently the tendency is just the contrary : whenever a whoa is in a script and then Reeves is cast as the character saying it, the whoa tends to get cut :D It happened with the Constantine script ;D
I remember an interview ( was it in The Matrix Revisited ? ) in which K said that 'they' ( him and the W brothers) tried that rooftop scene in different versions, but 'whoa' was the only one which sounded right so they had to use 'the word' :D

matrixnospoon032009-11-08 02:30


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Now, this gives me another excuse to watch The Matrix all over again. The last time I watched it was a week ago. Am I hooked? Nah, never! ;-)

:D

I haven't seen it since this summer, and I miss it so :(

inkhuldra
2010-01-10 18:08


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I just found this nice little DVD review of the Bill & Ted movies. Something for the article archive? I like how it comments on how people still link him with Ted and the iconic "Whoa!".

http://dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=58092

lady_majestik2010-01-27 04:58


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Okay, I love the first, can't stand the second. I HATE the matrix movies except for the ending of the first LOL. Oh, it's nice to post my opinion on his movies without worrying about someone tearing me apart (waves to Anakin)
Anakin McFly
2010-01-27 10:30

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frankly, can't remember if Hardball mentions any Anderson or Smith. But the latter is such a common name, it might be just a coincidence...
...In which case they totally need to add Heroes=, which does mention both Anderson and Smith in the same sentence.


I HATE the matrix movies except for the ending of the first LOL.

What. WHY.

LucaM
2010-01-27 22:50


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I HATE the matrix movies except for the ending of the first LOL. Oh, it's nice to post my opinion on his movies without worrying about someone tearing me apart (waves to Anakin)

I'm not Anakin, so I dunno about that ( worrying about someone tearing you apart). What's your problem with the Matrix movies ?

lady_majestik2010-01-28 01:42


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Luca, I found them incredibly boring.
LucaM
2010-01-28 01:57


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boring ???
*pulls hair*
boring...

okay, joking aside, I found them full of meaning. on many levels.
their complexity is explained here:
http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_reloaded.html
http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_revolutions.html

but then, we're different, so we could agree to disagree ;) :D

lady_majestik2010-01-29 04:27


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Exactly, we agree to disagree and I don't get put in the "BAD KEANU FAN" category LOL. Maybe I've just seen the movies to much that I'm bored with them, I do own all three on DVD LOL.

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